Italian Roots and Genealogy
Unearthing the Tales of Italian Lineage: A Conversation with Abruzzo Ancestors
Embark on an emotional journey through time as we sit down with the remarkable duo from Abruzzo Ancestors, Davide Castellucci and Giulia Scappaticccio, who bring the hidden narratives of Italian lineage to light. The rolling hills of Abruzzo, steeped in the heritage of Italy's emigrants, serve as the backdrop for tales that intertwine food, memories, and the indelible bonds of family. Giulia's culinary delights at her bed and breakfast offer a taste of history, while Davide's prowess in genealogical sleuthing helps clients stitch together their fragmented pasts. Together, they remind us that the essence of who we are is intricately woven into the stories of those who came before us.
Imagine stumbling upon an artifact at a flea market that spins your world into an enthralling 15-year quest, or discovering your forebearers' connections to Spanish nobility and the daring escapades of Italian brigands. Our conversation navigates these ancestral waters, charting the surprising ties between past and present. It's a reminder that our mannerisms, dreams, and very identities may have deeper roots than we ever imagined, and these roots reveal themselves through the careful excavation of historical documents and family legends.
Transformations abound, not only in the personal revelations of our guests' clients but also in the charming conversion of Casale Centurione from an ancient homestead to a haven for seekers of heritage. As we look ahead to Abruzzo Ancestors' upcoming project, we discuss the convergence of legal hurdles and emotional connections that accompany the quest for Italian citizenship and the reclaiming of one's heritage. Listen in for a heartfelt exploration of identity, belonging, and the timeless allure of
discovering where we come from.
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Embark on an emotional journey through time as we sit down with the remarkable duo from Abruzzo Ancestors, Davide Castellucci and Giulia Scappaticccio, who bring the hidden narratives of Italian lineage to light. The rolling hills of Abruzzo, steeped in the heritage of Italy's emigrants, serve as the backdrop for tales that intertwine food, memories, and the indelible bonds of family. Giulia's culinary delights at her bed and breakfast offer a taste of history, while Davide's prowess in genealogical sleuthing helps clients stitch together their fragmented pasts. Together, they remind us that the essence of who we are is intricately woven into the stories of those who came before us.
Imagine stumbling upon an artifact at a flea market that spins your world into an enthralling 15-year quest, or discovering your forebearers' connections to Spanish nobility and the daring escapades of Italian brigands. Our conversation navigates these ancestral waters, charting the surprising ties between past and present. It's a reminder that our mannerisms, dreams, and very identities may have deeper roots than we ever imagined, and these roots reveal themselves through the careful excavation of historical documents and family legends.
Transformations abound, not only in the personal revelations of our guests' clients but also in the charming conversion of Casale Centurione from an ancient homestead to a haven for seekers of heritage. As we look ahead to Abruzzo Ancestors' upcoming project, we discuss the convergence of legal hurdles and emotional connections that accompany the quest for Italian citizenship and the reclaiming of one's heritage. Listen in for a heartfelt exploration of identity, belonging, and the timeless allure of
discovering where we come from.
Abruzzo Ancestors
Casale Centrione
Online tee shirts, hoodies and more for Italians
Farmers and Nobles
Read about my research story and how to begin your family research.
Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
Hi everyone, this is Bob Sorrentino from Italian Roots and Genealogy. Be sure to check us out on Facebook and our newsletter and our great sponsors Abiettivo Casa Italy, rooting and your Dolce Vida. And today I have two guests from Ribuzzo actually from Ribuzzo Ancestors Davide Castellucci and Giulia Scapaticio.
Speaker 1:Great, very good.
Speaker 2:So I got the name pretty close.
Speaker 1:What's your name?
Speaker 2:You know what's funny here? I pronounce my name Sorrentino, but in Italy it would be Sorrentino right.
Speaker 1:Sorrentino yeah.
Speaker 2:So I certainly want to talk about what you do for people doing their research, but before we do that, I'd just like to get a little bit background on where, davide, you and Giulia are from.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I start.
Speaker 1:If it's okay for you. I start. We are friends. First of all, we live in the same municipality, manupello, pescara province, close to the Miella National Park in Abruzzo, central Italy. For people maybe ignoring where Abruzzo is, central Italy, more or less two hours, three hours east Rome, just to make you understand where we are in the world. And we are two hosts we manage the IMA B&B owner and Davide IMA Rengals. So we used to host the travelers from really all over the world visiting Abruzzo. We have different backgrounds because I am focused on foreign languages.
Speaker 1:I studied, graduated in foreign languages and my first job was for a flying company at Italia where really, I first booked travelers. I used to work with the customer service online and I used to have phone calls from people bookings or needing to make change the reservation for the flight to reach Italy. So this is my approach to travelers dreaming of Italy, having Italian origins or not, but most because of the origins and most because everybody wants to travel to Italy once in a lifetime. So this is for the business part. Then, moving to Abruzzo, I'm from Lazio, always Central Italy. Moving to Abruzzo, I opened this B&B in the old house from the great parents, my husband's great parents. We renovated it and we started the B&B. So this is my job, first job.
Speaker 1:I grew up in south of Lazio, a very nice area called Ciociaria, so many of the Italian followers of your Postcard channel know about Ciociaria. It is near Cassino, and so this is an area where many people left moved from to reach United States, canada, australia, especially during the Second World War, after the Second World War or after the first one, to look for opportunities. And so I grew up in my family with memories about my father's uncle, my father's cousins. So I heard the stories about people, I remember names, I remember family and I remember also where they came back to visit us, and so it was very emotional because they were back to the motherland, knowing they had a new life in the place where they decided to settle, but, you know, having a heart in one country and the other one in the new homeland. So this is just in a few words, my background and my first contact to immigrants, stories, to stories about people traveling the world, living in Italy, keeping Italy in their heart and you know also it's starting to come back to travel and keeping memories in their house.
Speaker 1:So what I found hosting at my BNB travelers from Abruzzo. So since the first email, my guest used to write to me. I have a sister from Abruzzo. I remember non-stable, non-lunch, so my job is more focused on hosting people and keeping memories alive, and a great connection is about food. So this is my job, especially in Abruzzo. Ancestors is to collect stories and to keep memories through food, so this is my specialty. So I introduce David to you just a few words. I'm going to help him because having a different background is not so comfortable to speak English all the time. It's very good in writing, so keeping contact with our clients asking for the research, so it's very good online, improving the speaking. So we are going to work on it.
Speaker 2:I'm sure his English is better than my Italian, so that's for sure.
Speaker 1:The same, the same, the same. We can communicate Italian English. I suppose many of your followers speak Italian too, so they will understand.
Speaker 2:Actually not as many as you think. They didn't. Unfortunately, our parents didn't teach us Italian and I heard it growing up. My grandparents and my parents would speak to them.
Speaker 1:They didn't teach us, but we need to fix that. So David and I met David. You know you find people thanks to your same interest, so every time there is something in common you find in the same place or a special event, or also, thanks to a lot of things, to social media.
Speaker 1:So we connected because we didn't know each other before and I really appreciated this huge interest in genealogical research because it was like the missing part, because I'm not so good in the research. David is a specialist, so he's really keen. He's really good in finding documents, data, so all the registers and he's very good also when we go to archives. We cooperate. So I used to help because maybe when we have to look for a lot of names for family research, so it's easier to check in all the books together one morning instead of being alone. So I cooperate. But he's very good in finding the words, he's very good in knowing the relations, so data and people too, and he's very interested in stories. So, david, please tell me something about your family research, because everything started, the interest started from his own research. So, david, so you had a gap to fill the water, having he never met his great father and David lost. You lost your father, a world. You were what's your age when your dad died?
Speaker 3:Nine years. Okay, it was nine years old.
Speaker 1:So imagine a young boy having no paternal memories so no great father. So he ignored, until 15 years ago, his great grandfather name. So really grow up without these important people in the family. But growing up he started to feeling the desire to fill this gap. So, but it's only your desire. So you are two brothers.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Only two brothers, but the genealogical research for your family started from you. Your brother is not interested.
Speaker 3:No, not interested.
Speaker 1:So it's really something started from him, because his brother, more or less the same age, was not interested. So since one day you started to ask how did it start?
Speaker 3:I started to. I couldn't go to the family because they were all dead young. My grandfather obviously didn't know him. My father was small.
Speaker 1:Cousins lived far away so no one had to go Other relatives living not in the same villages in the same village, so really he had no one in the family to ask for information. So this is important, because when you have the stories in the family, you remember names. Like me, I used to listen to my great father, to my father, my mother, and so this was the hardest part, so to find his memories.
Speaker 2:So what was Davide's profession before, because now he does this? What was he trained as his profession before doing genealogy?
Speaker 1:What kind of study is done?
Speaker 3:I did the cultural and cultural operators' study and a specialization in genealogical studies.
Speaker 1:So now his background at the university. It is cultural heritage more focused on the future of the city In general Heart history. So this is the background.
Speaker 2:So it kind of fit in with what he does now. The history background.
Speaker 1:Now he is still studying and improving his skills for genealogical research. Still studying always because you had to improve, because when you start from nothing, step by step, you had a little bit and then you start. He started his personal family research and learned by doing and so still improving. When did you start looking for it?
Speaker 3:I started with a particular episode.
Speaker 1:I was in a market of antiquity, so I started everything when, one day, he visited a flea market.
Speaker 3:And I saw a document of a 1740 note and there was a Francesco Castellus note.
Speaker 1:So everything started when, in a flea market, he found a document from a notary document from 18th century, so 1750, 1750, and the family name of the notary was Castellucci. It's the same family name, so this was the, I think, the flame. How do you say when?
Speaker 2:you are Spark, we would say spark.
Speaker 3:And from. There 15 years ago he started going to the State Archives to find my genealogical record. I found the name of my grandfather.
Speaker 1:So since that episode he really started to research about his family roots and ancestors, going every time back in the past, reaching so you were in your family.
Speaker 3:Castellucci until 1500.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And I discovered that Back to 15th 16th century. It was a family of notaries and master-adapted, but from the markets. From the region of the market.
Speaker 1:From the market region close to Abruzzo, northern Abruzzo. He found the origins of this notary family Castellucci, and one in particular moved to Manopello.
Speaker 3:Moved to Manopello in 1676.
Speaker 1:1676, a notary called Castellucci in no sense Moved exactly to Manopello, to the village where we live. We are living now.
Speaker 3:It was not only a notary family, but also public officials of the Manopello municipality.
Speaker 1:So they worked not only as notary but also for the municipality in Manopello.
Speaker 3:The son of a innocent son married two brothers and three sisters of Spanish origin.
Speaker 1:Two brothers, three brothers.
Speaker 3:Three children of innocent married, three sisters.
Speaker 1:So three brothers, so three of sons, innocent Castellucci sons married three sisters From the same family having Spanish origins. So it's really a mixture, but it's normal to have Spanish influence, the Spanish roots in central Italy because of the bourboning in Naples, so Abruzzo in particular, where territory under the domination in Spanish.
Speaker 3:The Spanish domination the first ancestor of Spanish. His name is Cesar Casagena.
Speaker 1:He was a Spanish soldier, so finding back to the Spanish origins of the family, married the ladies married with this Castellucci, in the sense of son. We found the name Casagena. There was a military in Spain, so quite important origins.
Speaker 2:Well, that's like my grandmother's family Piramallo, they came from Spain. The first came in 1500s in. Calabria, but then the Caraccio Law. They also married Spanish, spanish yeah.
Speaker 1:Rich family from the past. It happened. It was a thing that many nobiles like military mixed origins military and noble origins. Mixed marriages to keep the heritage.
Speaker 2:I heard that there wasn't enough Spanish women in Italy, so the Spanish nobles married the Italian nobles. Is that true?
Speaker 1:There were not enough Spanish.
Speaker 2:There weren't enough Spanish noble women in Italy when the Spanish came, the men, the Spanish nobles, so they began to marry the Italian noble women.
Speaker 1:Bob says that in history it is said that there were not many Spanish noble women in Italy and therefore the Spanish nobles and military nobles began to marry the Italian noble women.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, yes, this same family in Casagena in 1700, but before they were married to the British nobles. So this same family in Casagena.
Speaker 1:they found marriages, they found connections between the Casagena family, the Spanish family in Abruzzo II, also with other families in Abruzzo, not only Castellucci. So before his ancestors they were the Casagena started to enter in Abruzzo II, not only.
Speaker 3:As a genealogical branch. They got married because they had four sisters and, unfortunately, for reasons, they got married to the noble women in Italy.
Speaker 1:So the family name Casagena doesn't exist anymore because most of the standards were ladies. So step by step. So they had three sisters and a brother.
Speaker 3:They had four sisters and a brother.
Speaker 1:Four sisters and one brother.
Speaker 3:The brother had a female daughter and some not from Casagena, and the other story for my ancestor in Abruzzo.
Speaker 1:It's interesting In the 18th century they were the brigands of the genealogical branch, because this is about Castellucci, but about your mother family.
Speaker 3:My mother family was born in Caserta.
Speaker 1:So having David saying in his roots, in his blood, he has got both noblesmen and military, also notary. So his ability to check documents goes back to the Capitone so that's a skill in everything and he really loves, all the documents really loves. And also there are in his family some brigands. So, brave people.
Speaker 3:In 1865, my father and my cousin, the father of the great-great grandfather. He had all the family wife, husband and children.
Speaker 1:The family was arrested, was kidnapped.
Speaker 3:Only to have participated in a funeral of a brigand in Casagena.
Speaker 1:Because they joined the funeral. They joined in the church where the brigand died and they joined the mass in the church and they were all arrested.
Speaker 3:And then I found out in other documents that he, the head of my family, my Spanish name was really a brigand. He was also arrested later.
Speaker 1:So brigands, together with noblesmen. It's a rich route. Sometimes, when it happens, when you find special aspects of our behavior, our way of living, we try to find in the people we know, because we used to say maybe you look like your great-mother. I have also episodes in my family, so not only the similarity of the face but also the way of acting also, and maybe skills and maybe energy vibrations, I don't know. There is a connection With the past. There is always a connection.
Speaker 1:Some people are very lucky to have memories from the family and stories told, and some other people, like Davide, me too, for some other aspects we need to fill and to find these memories. So, starting from his research, back to Davide's background, starting from his research, he found first of all interesting to research about the data, about people, about stories, and he started to help other people asking, because we live in a small village with a lot of immigrants All of them are Brutso and in particular we have stories from a second group of immigrants From the later, later Second World War, moving from a Brutso to Belgium. So not only the stories from a Brutso to the United States, canada, australia, also closer. And so starting, you know, talking with people and people in the village started to know he was doing research about his family and started to ask and spreading the word. Davide started to work here in Manupello. Then, thanks to social media, we are working with a lot of people living abroad and we decided to join together in Brutso ancestors because hosting at my place a lot of travellers.
Speaker 1:I reach, you know, I reach people thanks to social media too. I have quite small, not so small social account social media account very popular and when I share photos of a Brutso people from Australia leave comments oh, this is close to my great parents village and really it's very nice to. I love this aspect of my job To share memories through a photo to our village, to a recipe I'm cooking, recipe and cooking and many, many people leave comments about family memories. My nonnas used to cook the pallotte caciovo and my nonnas used to make ferratelle or pizzelle from a Brutso, a special swish, and so it's very important.
Speaker 1:And you know, growing up, becoming others, you feel, I don't know, maybe closer to your mother's age, to your nonnas' age, and it is the moment when you start looking for your roots, if you don't have enough memories. Because some people moving to the United States lost the connection to Italy, changed the family name. Me too, I have. My family name is Scappatico. My cousin's, my father's cousin, lives in Montreal, toronto, new Jersey, chile, argentina you can find a lot of Scappatico anywhere Australia and some other still keeping Scappatico as the family name. Some other the change decided to change and so some other changed the name into Scapi.
Speaker 2:So to be more.
Speaker 1:American.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that happened a lot. And just to go back a second to you know two things that, david, they said. One was you know people in the family wanted to research. I mean, I'm with the exception of one or two others, and I have a lot of cousins. Nobody's really that interested. But I truly believe that you do not only inherit physical traits but also you know how you think, type of traits. And you know my wife tells me I get my demanding personality from. Ferrante of Naples was my ancestor.
Speaker 3:Bob, my mother, is born in Caserta.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay, you know they.
Speaker 3:I born in Caserta.
Speaker 2:I was born in Naples, Well they told me they told me that my grandfather was born in Caserta.
Speaker 1:One of my aunts, but he was actually but he was actually born in Pagani. Maybe you can be relatives. I was just born.
Speaker 3:My family is two-sisters.
Speaker 2:He was born in Pagani, actually, and my grandmother, my father's mother, was born in Cercola, outside of Naples.
Speaker 3:Cercola, Cercola.
Speaker 1:There's a.
Speaker 2:Piromalo had homes in Calabria, naples, messina, and they also said somewhere by the beach, and then also Massa di Soma. And I'll tell you a quick funny story about Count Jacomo. He had a place in Messa di Soma and they brought me there and they showed me a window up in, you know, up on the Palazzo, and they said on his birthday he would roast a pig for the thieves or the servants, the serfs, whatever, get them drunk and then throw money out the window to watch them fight over the change. It was my third great-grandfather.
Speaker 1:Third, so great grandfather.
Speaker 2:He count, jacobo Piomalo, married Duchess Beatrice Capicci Piccicelli from Capocotta, capocotta and Melissa.
Speaker 3:We are going to go to San Martino in Penzli Because what we are finding now, we started from here, from Abruzzo.
Speaker 1:very often it happens in a family that was aside one side from Abruzzo, the other was from Molise, caserta, campania, lazio, marche, central Italy, most Central Italy, also Northern Italy or Southern, but very often they both are from the same region Because maybe people left from Italy as a child and then meeting in an Italian community there in the place where they lived, but very often mixed region.
Speaker 2:So the other day did he find any Aragonese in history? Does he have any Aragon roots from Spain?
Speaker 1:Yes, he found Aragon roots from the Aragon family.
Speaker 3:The family in Casagena is the first individual, the first ancestor, Cesar, in documents in the parish record in Manopello, the Spanish origin.
Speaker 1:So he was very proud of his Spanish origin and also in the death certificate, where usually it's not written the origin. Maybe before dying he asked to mention the Spanish origin also in the death certificate. But, bob, if you have found any, roots in your research that leads to the Aragon family.
Speaker 3:I have to find some roots. I have found some references, but your family, no, that's what he says the family in Casagena To find the roots. We have to go to Spain To find the documents, not the documents in the book that confirm this.
Speaker 1:This is the difference. I'm a woman, so I'm more interested in stories to tell, and so I used to ask the clients writing us to start genealogical research. Please send us also family memories, because maybe in the stories a part of the story, even a smaller part, is with useful information. Some other is, you know, while he always brings me back to the reality and say, julia, we need to find the documents, so we need the certificate to add to the stories they heard in the family. So this is the different aspects, but both are important because what we found is that genealogical research starts from family memories, from a desire to find the people, the people you come from, the places you come from.
Speaker 1:I have guests here visiting a Brutso and they ask me, they tell me we don't understand why, how it is possible. My great mother left this beautiful land because a Brutso is a beautiful land, and I used to reply remembering they left where a Brutso was a very poor land. So this is the, I think, the most interesting aspect People finding their roots, find you know, memories to treasure, so and to remember to the young generation, because it happens very often it happens people is coming, people ask to start a research, because they want to give to all the information to the niece, to the young generation not to miss, because all the people is dying and so this is the special.
Speaker 2:So did anyone ever come to the BNB or do genealogy that turned out to be your or Davide's relative?
Speaker 1:Some of my guests finding a connection with Davide's family.
Speaker 2:Or to your family.
Speaker 1:Not, but not to my family, but we hosted the year people with origins from Manopello and it was nice, my great. So you know the stories about men alone or just married, a couple living with just one paper luggage how do you call the old immigrants' luggage With really nothing, really nothing, and living and building really a new life. And it is interesting, we have stories from Manopello immigrants who worked in the automotive in the United States. So Michigan, the Detroit area, and people working in the mines, because we have history, we have mines in the Mayala Mountains, so we found a younger generation, so descendants coming to their ancestors land and finding really where everything started. So from nothing, but with some skills, some ability, they started a new job, they built families, they grew up kids, they studied and some other. We had some guests, they had some restaurants in the United States because the non from Manopello was very good in cooking. So it's nice to find people working in any doing any kind of job, but having origins, with some skills, from a good.
Speaker 2:So so what? So for Davide, what? What was kind of the most surprising thing that he found for a client about their ancestors?
Speaker 1:So we started our research in the Potenza province from this lady, kate, from.
Speaker 3:Castro.
Speaker 1:Nuovo in Provincia di Potenza. So she always had tales from a great mother about their noble origins in Potenza. So she wanted to. She asked to find certificates and to find this, really this information. So she did the test on her own in the United States before asking the research. So, some Jewish also, origins from a special group and found in this DNA test.
Speaker 3:In the Jewish I can see, I understand. I've started the research. I did a first step.
Speaker 1:I solved the problem with my blood and I started a first step research. So, as we usually do when we start a research from the Italian immigrant to the United States, we start from that research and we go back to the meta del mille, so 1750,.
Speaker 3:this is the first step.
Speaker 1:And what did you find?
Speaker 3:We confirmed that when the immigrant was a poor family, the father was a land owner of a large family that had opened everything between his adult age and the birth of this daughter.
Speaker 1:So what we found, that we found in the documents, is that his great father was a land owner. So he reached the United States without property because he lost his properties between his young age and his travel to the United States. So he found a story of land owner, not a nobleman, not a non-denominate. They have rich families, rich families they have people working for their servants. So we are finding information, you know, giving power to the stories she used to heard about the family.
Speaker 3:And then going back, we confirmed that the family was still in all the lands of the German families from the wealthy families of the Provincia di Potenza.
Speaker 1:So we found back in the Potenza province, all the trees of the family, of the family trees, we can find rich people, not necessarily noble, but rich people, land owners. So you have to tell us about the stories she heard about a palazzo. We have to go there.
Speaker 3:Now we have arrived, now we have the very interesting thing At an antenna of 1750, which was a family, the family of Lanza, which is still going back in time.
Speaker 1:We reached back to the ancestors, a Lanza family member, and Lanza was a rich family in that area, not only in that area, but in all parts of Italy, Returning to the Distorce.
Speaker 3:we are now at half a century.
Speaker 1:So we are the family.
Speaker 3:Lanza.
Speaker 1:Lanza family we found until the middle of the 17th century, so 1650.
Speaker 3:Now we are going to start the first and last step. The most interesting thing is that when we are talking about the Jewish Askenaziti, the Lanza family, spagnola, it is in the language I think Bob will know it, not official but official of the Askenaziti families from Spain at the beginning of the 1500s.
Speaker 1:So the same Lanza family is found in not official register about at least about the Jewish family who had to escape from Spain around the 16th century. So we are finding the same, maybe the same information about the DNA test. So the Jewish origins, so the connection.
Speaker 3:But these 150 years to confirm the DNA test.
Speaker 1:This is the gap. We have to fill this 150 years. But sometimes there are just stories, sometimes it is possible to find others. It's really interesting.
Speaker 3:And now we have to go to Potenza next month to check the records and the archives.
Speaker 1:So we have to visit the notary archives in Potenza next month and to find these information about the Lanza family.
Speaker 3:Because, unfortunately, in that country the baroque directors are going to.
Speaker 1:What we used to do is to check to find data, information, usually in the parish records, in the state archives. So it depends, not all the villages, not all the archives are, we can find the documents and so this is why we have to go to the notary archives in Potenza. But really it's nice when we Because, when we do the research, so it's interesting and finding the years very, you know, finding information, and while I read the books and I found in the pages I found married. It's nice to really I feel the people, I feel the lives, not only the. It is real people, real people married in those little little churches in the middle of the mountain with nothing Moving, at maybe my young son age that is now 20, to reach a completely far and unknown land. So it's really interesting because it's true, people finding new opportunities and giving new opportunities to the family. So it's, but it's nice. I think people are now coming back to find the origins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and I was lucky because I found when I first did the first research on my grandmother's father, it brought me right to the Libro de Oro and I found Nicola Piamalo marrying Amirya Karachalo. So my research for that family was just unbelievably easy, because I had that one little link that you know, I was able to go back to Karachalo in 950 AD in Naples. So a thousand years all there documented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because what we can find reading, for example, about the Riety Reserve. We have been to the province Riety province archive to find the registers about birth and marriage between Northern Laquilla and Amatrice, that was in the past were Laquilla province, now it is another region. And these people wrote us because they had no information about the Amatrice site and the answer was very rude we don't have registers, we have nothing, we lost them. There was a big earthquake these are areas between Amatrice, laquilla, a lot of earthquakes during the year, so it's easy to answer. The church fell down, the municipality doesn't exist anymore. We don't have nothing.
Speaker 1:So we reached the Riety, sorry and we found these family stories, so brothers, sisters, every time there was a newborn baby. So in the register we could find the place also where the family was living in that moment. So you know, you can trace, you can write, like in a map, the people, the families moving maybe to work a land, to stay in a property for a few years, because you can find a born in the Contrada, a small little village, and it's very nice. It is not only a register with names and datas, it is nice and there are information about their job at the time Contadino landowner or just worker. It's nice, I think, and it was very interesting to give this research.
Speaker 3:It's fascinating.
Speaker 1:It's fascinating.
Speaker 3:The emotion is the other day in a parloral archive in the province of Lavina to find a marriage certificate, for pure intuition, Not only when you find it but when you communicate it to the client.
Speaker 1:It's nice. Two emotions. Our emotion yes, we got it, we found it Really. This is also said stories when we found the same family name. Two years so a baby born, so we understood. A brother or a sister was born, died, and the years after the same family give the same name to the second, to the newborn baby. So you really, in datas, you find the story. And so the second emotion is when you write to the clients to say we found it, we got it and these are your three fathers. They married, they really married there.
Speaker 1:It is a village, you know, for us everything is closed and so it's finding this information for people really far away. Most of the people are never, will come to visit their homeland, but they know, they have origins, they know where they come from. I think this is important. Even if maybe they are not visiting now, they, their descendants will visit maybe, and I had some guests from the United States I don't remember the name because I have a lot of guests at the BNB and it was especially a teacher in a university they choose to visit Brutso in a special anniversary. It was something like 100 year. The great mother left from a Brutso. So this is a consider, Consider. You make a research, then you start planning. We are going to visit the land next year, in two years, and so everything keeping you connected and keeping alive those people.
Speaker 1:And sometimes you find relatives sometimes you don't want to find. Sometimes we find stories we can't tell, about the Australian lady asking to find informations about a father, but we could. It was not possible to go to the village to ask for her because we found David, found all the informations but is still alive, or is she died little by little?
Speaker 3:She died little by little. She returned from Australia.
Speaker 1:But there are relatives, relatives still alive. So it's a very delicate job when you can't go to some people's house and say hi, you know, you have a sister in. Australia and your father had a relation with her mother and was not so good. So some stories we can tell, some stories we can't. But it's important also for them to know about their origins.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and my cousin's daughter found her sister through ancestry DNA that she didn't know that she had my cousin's daughter.
Speaker 1:So your cousin's sister, your cousin's daughter, my cousin's daughter, so I found her sister through. Dna.
Speaker 2:So, before we go, how could people reach David Day for genealogy and then also you for, if they want to stay in the BNB?
Speaker 1:So everybody can reach us to Abruzzo ancestors, very easy to remember. We wanted to have the name, the word Abruzzo, in our name, because we are very proud to our Abruzzese, even if I am adopted but I feel more Abruzzese than Laziale. So Abruzzo ancestors is. You can find us on social media, on the internet website and we have also easy email abruzzoncestorscom. So very easy. And my BNB is Casale Centurione, because it's very old house we renovated in the countryside. Centurione was the old landowner, a rich man rich family.
Speaker 1:We are not descendants. My great parents bought the house, so Casale Centurione Abruzzo, also on social media, is my BNB and because of the many research genealogical research David Day is doing now for this season the rental house is on standby because we started with very few research and now it's increasing and so having another job in its time. La Casa Rental House in the standby.
Speaker 1:And improving and also starting so working and start to be to have a better knowledge of the heritage, what and how to make research. Also the legal aspects, because it's very important that many of the researches we are doing now is from United States for the clients asking for documents, certificates, to declare the title of the house, To ask for the Italian citizenship. So there is not only data, there is the legal aspects. It's a lot, a big work, big work. I understand.
Speaker 2:I understand Well, thanks again. I really appreciate taking the time and hopefully we get back there soon and we'll have to come to a butto for sure.
Speaker 1:We wait for you all and don't mind to contact us and really now we are very pleased to share this special with you and all the people interested in finding their roots, especially Italian roots, because it is in central Italy Maybe we feel closer. Central Italy genealogical research, because this is the area where we come from. So we know the stories, we know why people moved in the left, their own homeland, so it's a.
Speaker 3:So next job we have to work on is a marriage between a Brutso and Campania, so a special Rayano.
Speaker 1:that is a very popular little village in North Farn. From here, rayano, and, and a Cervo province of Nauvoo. Neighbor province, so new stories and.
Speaker 3:New stories that are coming back New stories to find and tell.
