Italian Roots and Genealogy
The Complex Labyrinth of Ancestral Histories in South America and Italy
Prepare to be transported across continents and centuries as we unravel the rich tapestry of family histories. This episode takes us on a journey with Angelica Noonan, tracing her Italian lineage from the charming village of Campon Commune de Tambre to the vibrant corners of South America and eventually to the sprawling landscapes of the United States. As we peruse her family photos and learn about their migration story, we uncover the beauty of preserving family traditions and the significance of names. Your curiosity will be piqued, whether you're a history aficionado or simply intrigued by the mystery of genealogy.
Our conversation takes an unexpected turn as we welcome a guest whose roots delve into the heart of Italy, back in the 1700s, extending to an intriguing mix of Portuguese, Italian, Spanish, African, and Native Brazilian ancestry. We challenge the skepticism around DNA testing and shed light on the surprising discovery of a large Italian and German population in South America. Hear about the striking stories of the Cimbre people that offer insights into our guest's diverse background and identity.
We wrap up this episode with an interesting exploration into Venice's history of transportation, focusing on the unique use of large wooden containers. From facilitating trade to providing shelter, these containers hold a unique place in the city's past. Angelica reveals her family's role in this industry, adding another layer to her vibrant heritage. So get ready for a thrilling ride as we navigate the complex labyrinth of family histories and the profound impact of our ancestors on our present lives.
Read about my research story and how to begin your family research.
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Prepare to be transported across continents and centuries as we unravel the rich tapestry of family histories. This episode takes us on a journey with Angelica Noonan, tracing her Italian lineage from the charming village of Campon Commune de Tambre to the vibrant corners of South America and eventually to the sprawling landscapes of the United States. As we peruse her family photos and learn about their migration story, we uncover the beauty of preserving family traditions and the significance of names. Your curiosity will be piqued, whether you're a history aficionado or simply intrigued by the mystery of genealogy.
Our conversation takes an unexpected turn as we welcome a guest whose roots delve into the heart of Italy, back in the 1700s, extending to an intriguing mix of Portuguese, Italian, Spanish, African, and Native Brazilian ancestry. We challenge the skepticism around DNA testing and shed light on the surprising discovery of a large Italian and German population in South America. Hear about the striking stories of the Cimbre people that offer insights into our guest's diverse background and identity.
We wrap up this episode with an interesting exploration into Venice's history of transportation, focusing on the unique use of large wooden containers. From facilitating trade to providing shelter, these containers hold a unique place in the city's past. Angelica reveals her family's role in this industry, adding another layer to her vibrant heritage. So get ready for a thrilling ride as we navigate the complex labyrinth of family histories and the profound impact of our ancestors on our present lives.
Read about my research story and how to begin your family research.
Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
This is Bob Sardino from Italian Wudson Genealogy. Be sure to subscribe and check us out on Facebook and our blog and our great sponsors Adolce Vita, idli Wuding and Abiettivo Casa. And my guest today is Angelica Nunez. So welcome, angelica. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2:Grazie, bon giorno.
Speaker 1:So you live in South America right now, um correct.
Speaker 2:No, I do not live in South America. I was born there, I grew up there, I moved to the United States uh, on almost the end of my 20s.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, okay, I'm the father of my daughter.
Speaker 2:You know you want to visit in vacation here, so because one of my sisters already live here, so so I met the father of my daughter.
Speaker 1:Ah, very good, that's nice. Um so, so you're a family, so you were born in in uh South America, and when did your Italian family get there?
Speaker 2:Okay, uh, my grandmother, uh, Giuseppina, uh as Aline the angel, as Aline de Angelo, uh, she arrived in Brazil, uh, with her father, her sisters and brother, um, in when she was seven years old, I believe. There, uh, I put a something I think was 1911. Uh, 1913. They arrived in Brazil December 9th of 1913.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so do you know why they went? Went there.
Speaker 2:It's another mystery Uh, between uh all the children, uh, his brothers and sisters, only one kept there with you know, uh, his father, uh, the nobule, and uh, cesare uh is my grand-grandfather. Uh, what I heard, like my grandmother say something about you know, uh, they travel a lot. So have you seen the stories of her born in other countries? My grandmother? She always told us she born in Lyon, france, but they uh registered her in Faraday Pago in Veneto in Italy, and uh, so they travel a lot, okay, and I don't know that something he was, uh, something from him to try to find something better for the life or just to explore, or what I heard when I was there in 2022 with my cousin, uh, my cousin, uh, his uh grandfather.
Speaker 2:Uh, when I married with a Italian woman and his father told if you married her, I'll kill you, and he went to Argentina.
Speaker 2:So, after the mother told, if the father, no, he loves her, you can't do that because we are timbre, okay, we will get it there. So they don't want a mix because in timbre we are tedesco, like the German side, okay, so then, uh, he had to go back to the men's, had to go back to Italy, or no, because have they called the men's and he went back and they told him was okay to be married her. So that breaks something. So for me me was one of the reasons of my grand grandfather wanna be traveling to not suffering, you know, the children, the wife, something from the team great people, you know because she's a Italian and her father was the uh Floresa wards, but it's all yet. So I don't really know this point to tell you have can be many reasons, you know, uh, for better life or curiosity, or just to escape. You should not be suffering something like he. He don't wanna for his wife and the children.
Speaker 1:Well, no, and that's no different than most people. You know why they left Um? Do you know what kind of occupation he had when, when he got there?
Speaker 2:Okay, uh, timbre, uh, they are always uh very well with the crafting they uh is a big history because they help a lot of Veneto, uh, venetia, and uh with the uh, the community transporting um, but uh, he entered, like the agriculture, like people work, you know, on the land and um, really, really, I a profession was what they say here. A great tour, a great tour like for uh, um, uh, for, for, for the farm is collecting, prepare the land for the seeds to grow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I know exactly what to be.
Speaker 2:But he put a dead for when he arrived in Brazil. And then he keep doing, he keep doing dead. What my mother told, no, tell me he always was working a land. He buy a piece of land, he work, work, like he give one two years to make a little better business. No, he change, he sell, then he go and buy more land in another place, like that. But he never really grew up in some way, but he did his life. I think it was the way he was happy, making him happy, making some way. I don't know, I hope so.
Speaker 1:It sounds like it. I mean, it sounds like he wanted to grow the business and everything. So you sent me a really great slide show with some great pictures. How did you Were the pictures always in the family, or how did you come by all those pictures?
Speaker 2:Okay, some pictures you know I took there on 2022, the year I discovered it and I do not doubt about it, I told is my vacation finally in whole my life. And then some image what I say is my image image I took there I think the most, and one and another are from the book.
Speaker 1:Where did the book? How did you find that book? That's your family, I guess, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, there is my relative, ino Chante, as Aline. He writes books. It's not only this one, but that is the one where I have part of my family included there. Okay, so he bring there about, like when the last villa of Chimbre okay, and they concentrated in Del Cancilio is the second floor, large floor in Italy protected by UNESCO as well. They my our side.
Speaker 2:They left Rwanda because Chimbre people they don't like it to live under 100% of the rules of the government, have many rules like loss. They don't accept, don't match. So they decided to go far, you know, out of that clouds and to have, you know, a better life. Live how they like, you know, how they believe. That's what I understood too. You know, have things. You never. You know. You know, have things may, you know you don't like, or you like so about to know answers to it. They, they have in Pien, canai is where the villa, where Innocente is still there, okay, his family, but my family, one house, he moved to Spert.
Speaker 2:Spert is a very tiny, tiny town and he went to inside the flores and did a little lab to start work and he told he'll construct a house there and the wife told I'm not going that middle of nothing, you know, in the middle of the flores. But he told but there is a camp. It's Campon. Okay, campon mean a huge camp, like you get a football place. You know, you see all that grass green, you know space, you can build things, have more level. So then he told no, I'll construct a house and then I open a road here and to make it easier, and everybody starts to laugh on his face you are crazy. You open a road here, get out of here. You are insane. You know, go. You know, like, drink your beer or whatever, sit down there and be quiet, because never you happen that he brought a house, the family camp, and he opened the road. What's today is one very nice road to route to make shorter for many people to transport the goods. Now to the port of Venice.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, that's something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and is that from him, but he don't let you know. Now I know my father as well. Like I understand. Like do not say not to them, you know, don't doubt about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean that's you know. That's a lot of information. So when you went there, how did you feel? When you got there? Because there's a picture of you actually standing in, I guess what was part of the house.
Speaker 2:I stand inside the house and just have the rocks there were, you know, the families came each one, so I'm inside the one of my family and we don't have any more because on the second war they destroyed a lot so they kept, you know, the rocks there, the spaces. So in a chance, you know, show me and he took a picture of me. No, and yeah, there was one path and you're keeping that path, you know, to the flora. Then they have the little, you know, a big tree is a beautiful place, with moss, have a little water passing. It's like, look, dream. And I tell you that was vision, what I was when I was kid. Okay, I have my escape, who knows? They have a little sand, so they're where they go pray as well, because Catholic, you know Well yeah, everybody's Catholic in Italy, right?
Speaker 1:And so what I found? Because I know well, I know at least one person by the name Azalino. I didn't know that you know, as I didn't know that that meant you know acts people.
Speaker 2:And you know. Looking at the, museum.
Speaker 1:that's very interesting yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, asa is from metal, ferro, not ferro iron. And then Azalino was the family work with the metal but the axis you know construct that axis, axis you know to cut the trees, the wood, everything. So from back back back in history, so the families who work with that specifically they are the Azalino. So that was described, those people yeah.
Speaker 1:And, like I said, I never knew that. So do you know? I mean, do you know how long they lived in that area? How far back were you able to get? Maybe that's a better way to ask the question.
Speaker 2:Okay, I believe, you know, at the Nobel. He grew up in Rwanda so probably he left there on 1800s, you know. But like, if you see, we have like in the book, like putting back back back, have it like in the 1700s as well. But to me to get all that connection, I do not got it yet, you know, but have it all. You know, same kind of blood and their relatives and but the history, what you know, chance got it is from 1700s. But you know we are like the Celtics, celtos, celtic, like back and in the team we have a huge history. They help the Romans keep that side of Italy for, you know, italy they help as well, like in the second war. Just for you have idea, in that area all we are located, you know we have a base for war. It's closed now but airplanes all the time, all these wars you know happening, the airplanes are there, they anytime they need they put it back. So they have a base there.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know, you could see. You could see that. You know some of the buildings look more Austrian or Germanic than we typically think of Italy. You know, because of southern Italy, you know that's where we see most of the pictures and I guess the food is probably closer to German than southern Italian.
Speaker 2:I grew up with the favorite food of my father, like his grandmother, his mother cooking for him. So my mother always did her best. And, yes, have a lot of things you know there. You know I have, like I grew up and as well around my city. You know we have there too, because we have a lot of German, you know, and Italians, so that makes you know people coming. So always I grew up with all that.
Speaker 2:But I will tell you something I never in my life I had so much good food and water, the water from the mountains, because in Brazil when you're going to the littoral for the beaches, you're going down, you have the water coming. The cars stop to get that fresh water. You know, and I remember that. But when I got out there I told no, hold on, let me go. When I drink that water I swear look like clinho, when you're not throwing your face like man. It's so fresh, it's so good, I can't describe that. And air there, you know, is something wonderful. You know it's the part we are. We are now in Dolomites, in the Alps.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and that's why it was. Yeah, it was part of the Austrian Empire, for, you know, quite a long time and a lot of Germanic heritage. And you know, my two children are adopted and at one time we were considering doing an adoption from South America that they were suggesting Paraguay, and that's when I learned that there were so many Italians and Germans in Paraguay and Uruguay and Argentina. Never knew that, never thought about it, you know.
Speaker 2:Yes, they are before, like when I do my search about, like as Aline get. In Brazil, they had, before 1900s, had one group, one family, but they went to Argentina and they are all from us there and my, the brother of my grandmother, he is staying in Argentina and he married with Argentina lady and his family is there. So then, my grandmother and her sisters, all in Brazil but have a lot, a lot in Argentina, have a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, especially because that side of South Brazil and Argentina, the place for them. You know season, you know, you know the year, mountains, everything.
Speaker 1:Both your parents Italian or one side was, was not Italian.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm like, almost like I'm a house say. I'm Brazilian now, like huge weeks, but of course I have a big side of Italian. Huge because from my mother, my mother have Portuguese, italian, they have his life from Africa, they have the Indian native of Brazil and I told you Portuguese, spanish and Italian and I know from Africa, not the white, no the slaves, and and then a team of like Indians you know, from Brazil. So it's a huge mix. My grandmother, the mother of my mother, she is very white, with a very, very green eyes, you know, straight hair like it, not dark but not blonde. My mother had very curly hair but her eyes are extremely caramel color, caramel, caramel, like caramel color, like extremely is wonderful, wonderful when you look like it is unique. And my father, then you know Italian because he, his father, born in Brazil, but his grandfather, grandparents from his father, born in Italy. I do not go to there yet, but it's a very popular last name as well, but I hope I can reach there sometime. I'm a silent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, you know, my, my wife, my wife is, her mother's family was from Sicily and her father was from Puerto Rico and she's got like you, she's got everything. She's got Norwegian, she's got some African, she's got some Indian, because her grandmother, very obviously, you know, you could see that she was, you know she had Indian blood in her, at least American Indian blood in her. And so is that, when you did, you did, you did DNA, right? Is that what it showed? All this mix?
Speaker 2:No, I don't believe in that stuff. That's how I say it. When I discovered about chimbri and I started seeing things, I said, oh, now I start to see about myself, I start to understand, because I have many questions about myself. I'm completely different from my mother and my sisters. I'm more like my father and in the same time, you know when you feel lost and when I start seeing. Oh, I think now I start to understand about myself. You know what I believe, what I don't believe. Don't make me believe If I believe that what you say to me today, I do not Much more you believe, but I have to find my own way to you know that to believe.
Speaker 2:I do not believe in the first time like that. So no, since I mean, it's another part many people can understand, many not believe or not. But since I'm a kid, I remember around my eight years old, I start to see here in the field and when I dream I can tell you depending on my dream, I can give you dates. You know time, like frame. Choose, something happened and I don't like because, brazil, we have that side. You know, of religion. What is the spirit, what is not a spiritual? Spiritual is something like he's not a religion. But they have another side and the ways they told I have it to bring that and for me is not my. You know, my comfort zone is not me, not my idea. Connect with the spiritual. You know, understand that side. I'm very open a ways and I always look for that. But like that kind of religion, religion I'm not kind of religion, you know 100%. I have my beliefs and their goal.
Speaker 2:So I start to sing and feel things, but the the time I try to get the papers to heaven for to know from Italy my grandmother born in the year and the woman I can't receive. So then we don't have the technology to manage the time. So I forgot about past years. One time I decided that picture I post there for you. I gave and have something in the back right I post on Facebook, but I do not have nothing about then. Later, you know, I started to talk about the group, so I tried to go directly the groups of you know Italian, no to see if somebody knows what's happened on. The last was October, september, october, november of 2021. I not sleeping well. For every single night I look like I have been like a half in my body and half out and I can hear them talking with me. Some words I can kind understand, some not. They come close, they go far and was more than one people and it's kind like that I can't see. Well then, you know.
Speaker 2:But for three months they come in the middle of the night and you know, I wake up like they want to talk with me. They want to talk with me, they want to show me something, but who know, I don't know too, and that started to boil inside me because taking longer and I can't sleep. Well, I start to know I have work and I have things to do. That is not my life. You know that drive me crazy. What they want and many times I say who are you people? You know, talk with me straight or I don't know. But bring that information better for me. You know, make simple. Then it stopped in three months, stop completely. It's like two weeks. I told you know I have my grandmother picture. You try again, from nothing, nothing related, I don't know they are talking with me about her. So I post. When I post, then come every single thing. And it's funny because the book of my relative in a chance. He just launched that book on the time they was calling me.
Speaker 1:There's no accidents.
Speaker 2:Things we can't explain now.
Speaker 1:No, and you know, I've heard, you know, you know other stories like that, but so did you. Did you figure out who they were?
Speaker 2:Of course, I found every single thing and the funny thing because in the book, in a chance to children. Okay, they once left. Okay, from my grandfather grandparents, what is my grandmother? You, one of her sisters. When I saw that I thought oh, hold on, stop.
Speaker 2:First he's reporting her birth, the date of her birthday, wrong, I believe, more on my grandmother what I remember than him. And then I told him no, I is that the data to the whole. You can't find her birth certificates, you know. And then right away, enter another person. He have a passion. You may know him. If not, I may can introduce because he loves about all that.
Speaker 2:Okay, like you, like you know the Italians, immigration, the people he helped as well. And he told your grandmother is to the Pina, lisena Cadoring the Angelo. She have a register in Faraday, oh Pago, next next to my relative. So I told, oh, okay, boy, mamma Mia, no, how he can't discover that. You see how I talk no hands, body. So he helped in a chance, actually, you know, giving some information. So I send a mail to Faraday Pago, tambre and the day and the balloon. They send to me her birth certificates, but the two she born in Leon, france, but they register her there but they don't say that is from my grandmother and I do believe on her and also after how I told you had a time in Italy. They call all the men's to be there in the country and they was back.
Speaker 2:My grandmother I do not believe all her sisters because was older than her, probably already had boyfriend, something like that, and stay and I was her brother One Sunday having Brazil, guido, what I knew later now and her they went to Brazil, out to Brazil, to Italy back and in the book nobody told me, like you know, tell me things you know to my relatives.
Speaker 2:People don't tell you now and I reading things about like all the births, you know who was the godfather, the godmother, and I see my grandmother there representing my grandfather. So he was with the men's and when born in children and suppose you know to be the godfather, she was there representing. So for the period like like almost like six years, they they was there in Italy back and she told the dad and nobody believed and yes, she was right, she was there, but she don't want to go back to Brazil. Her father told, no, you are going back because she had a guy she loves, she loves. He went to that war to you know, and the second told look like he died on this war. I don't, I'm not sure, but was the love of her life. At the end of her life she married with my grandfather everything, but she never forgot about this man.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, that's something, and you know, it's funny that you mentioned that story. My wife, when she was a little girl, maybe I don't know, eight or nine years old my mother's name was Josephine and they lived in a building in New York City and she said it was late at night and they heard a woman outside calling her mother Josephine Josephine, but spooky. And they looked out the window and they saw this old woman, typical Italian style woman with the black dress and the and the, you know, the gray hair and all of that Probably. She kept calling and she said you know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Because they say Italian clean the sidewalk.
Speaker 1:They sweet, we just saw that recently but they, they, they didn't. Her mother didn't know who she was, but she said she was kind of just floating there like in the courtyard and calling her mother and they never figured out who this person was. So it's, you know. It's funny that you know. Things happen in strange ways that we can't explain and I tell people at the time you're going to find something, months, maybe years later that you couldn't find that all of a sudden it's going to be there.
Speaker 2:And I told you when I was now it's looking more what say you may find everything and may not like, or may like or may. You don't find everything to you now and you have to accept that and let go and keep the information you have and be happy you know, because that is what you never you know and I know that from my side happy you never.
Speaker 2:You know One thing I like to put a hearing point for you. In the arrival the first time in Brazil, they from my my grandfather, cesar, cesar, no Cesar, but Cesar, he, he know how to write and read. And there was a point they asked for everybody arriving, okay, and I remember the the immigrant, the museum of the immigrants in Brazil, when they send me, you know, the email back and this lady, she put a dead part. Your grand-grandfather, he know how to write and read. If you look on the papers there, the note what was something very, very rare for many immigrants. The number arriving, you know, is very rare.
Speaker 2:So that's why we kept, very well, our last name is why I have that mix, you know, of people who lose and don't know, because they don't know how you know to tell the another one, you know, write the name there. If you don't, can I write for you or is you know some way? Make you write, because if they don't know who listening from another country, they will try to put in the best way. They think it is so and funny because he did so well. And from my grandmother, her four sons, all they have the asalini correct but already from. And my father's side when had asalini yes, I'm the second daughter, I'm the daughter from second marriage, okay, but so my brothers have brothers, all asalini correct. And but the funny from his brother already start coming wrong, not asalini correct. Then I thought, oh no, it's something so important you know to not lose it, that you know linkage, like that path of the family is so is why many people get a loss. You can't find really the family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know my case was the same thing. My, my grandparents, all my grandparents, were able to read and write, except for my mother's mom, and I know that because when she had to register as an enemy alien during World War Two in America, she signed with an ex and my mother's oldest sister signed her name as a witness. But my grandfather, her husband, signed, signed his name. So she never learned to read or write. But yeah, we kept our names all stayed. Our names didn't get lost in translation when they came into Ellis Island.
Speaker 2:So one more, that is good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one more question I don't have asalini my last name, okay, I do not have because I'm in the second marriage, so I care. The angel now from my grandfather, you know and Silva is not very popular Is my mother, yeah, so I don't care, but I feel one. I feel more than many one in my family. They're all together. I feel like I am asalini as well, a timbra timbra because I'm a woman, and especially my father is the only one having two marriage and a family with both. I need the last daughter of him, you know, from second marriage, and no one found nothing about the family. You know everybody there, you know the corner waiting for something. You know, I'm the one. Always I'm curious and I went there and I found out. I think they know, you know, and they came to me as well too, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, I believe that. I believe that, that that we're chosen by them or somebody to do this.
Speaker 2:Well, angelica, diangelo, no, the angel bring the good messages, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So one one last question before we go. Do you know? You know because in in America there were certain ports where the ships would go. Was that the case in in South America also, that the ships would go to certain ports?
Speaker 2:And that time they the most go. You know Santos, porto of Santos, são Paulo, and there where they arrive at my family. Ok, and was the Indiana the Vapor call. I'm not sure if in Santa Catarina, john Ville have like. The port that I receive I think was the most was São Paulo. It may have another one, but São Paulo was the point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And you know, in the late 1800s a lot of Italians were supposed to go. I thought they were going to go to South America, but they brought them to New York City because it was closer, and just left them there and never brought them to South America.
Speaker 2:When I was in Italy for more. I was there places where they call passage it's not a series a passage and all team, another family is OK, because our, the last team, reveal they are with four families. Ok, but they went to meet my daughter. Oh, americanas. Then coming to China is keen Italian. No, I'm feeling good here. If you say my face bad people, I don't want to mean bad, it's just the way you know, like things, I'm joking, but I'm not joking bad the way, just like innocent way to talk. I am feeling here good. Look like this was a mafia. Well, and then, because I'm from Campon and we have the party on the first Saturday of August, then I ask you no chance, are you coming to the party? He told oh, no, no, like that. Oh, my no, why no? No, only Campon, I'm not Campon, I'm Pian Kanai, but if you're my friend, you're my guest. No, your daughter, your husband, only people like you, like show you friend. No, they are not. They are not allowed to bring another person. I thought, wow, Wow.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, no. So yeah, they're very close. When you talk about mafia, I'm sorry to cut you. I don't want to be rude, but like it comes to my mind right in the way. You know sounds silly, but make me feel like kind of important as well.
Speaker 1:That is funny. I mean, you don't think. You don't think about that happening and you know this day and age. Right, Think what's the difference? Everybody goes, but Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Then I thought I'm not blue blood, you know I not found the pot of gold on the end of the rainbow, but I'm feeling kind of one. You know in some way, you know very special, because I'm a very special, you know people.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, and it's funny to say that, because when we went to the towns where my father's mother, they were, they were nobility, I mean, we went to those towns, they treated me like very special and I couldn't understand. And I asked why? I said why I'm not nothing? And they said no, no, we, we go back 300, 500 years and that's your family. So you know, you are, and I, I still don't understand. It's still, it's very far into me to think that somebody so distant, you know, from these people and from Italy, would be treated in such a manner. But they, they don't forget, they don't forget anything over there. It's not like here.
Speaker 2:But how do you show yourself for them as well? That is, I think it's very important in any place, okay, especially when you go back with you know to. You know places of your ancestors and being together with some, you know relatives as well. It's not easy when you are lost and find, you know you found and then get it together. Everybody get ahead with that and but that is up to you, to you know. You have to be a person accepting that as well, accepting everybody. I'm the person I'm like, so friendly, so friendly, smiling. I think you don't have one, don't one, you know. Say no, I want to sit here and let's have a see if we can have some conversation, because for me, I don't have the bad time, you know, I'm happy here and and just let it bring you happiness. Everybody treat me so well too, so very well, like you told. They treat me well too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Well, it's been a lot of fun. I appreciate you taking the time and it's you know. It's always great to get somebody else's perspective on these things, because everybody's story is similar but different, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Exactly and just for you, we'll see. Like he, how happened with me is not like a normal happen with many people can be as well and we don't know. But if you go on YouTube later, you know from the name, I know from the book, you know Chantaz Ali and he he had some interviews, have some stuff on YouTube about, like try to explain about chingry, the people you know back and back. You know, because a lot of things, a lot of history and is is, is a, we are kind of like extinct. You know, like especially the language, because it's not a dialect, is the language and as I go, is one place Definitely they put in the schools to the children learn as well, beside Italian and English, but chingry and putting in the streets names you know in chingry as well. So they are trying now I think the another feel, as you try to work on that to you know, to not die the language.
Speaker 2:And just to brief start. I studied in Brazil two years in this international Germany none is cool Portuguese. I was very good English. I was in the German. I don't know, I do not know nothing about you know in the time and I was a plus plus. I can sing, I can dance, I can read, I can. I was like in the top of my learning that two years of the school I was great and, who knows, I forgot everything because in that time it was the most place for you, private after school can have you know, be teaching, you know the language and other places. You can't find the Germans so well in my seat in that time later can. So when you stop you lose a lot. You know I don't have nobody to speak as well, so I lost, but I had the pronounced, my pronouncing, I, everything what you know when come from Germany is not easy language for who was bad English, you know, and speaking German, what a hell now. So sometimes I think you know I have more than one person inside me was not possible.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks, thanks again.
Speaker 2:I want to say thank you is a pleasure to be here and to talk a little bit. You know, just a tiny, don't know too much, a little bit. When I just spoke, for you know I was in the same year there and in the time of the celebration you know from, of signals. Valdu is as well as Valdu is the scent of the as a linear family and I was my cousin there, so was right after the pandemic. He ended the Ukraine problems there, so not too many people. But I decided to go with my daughter In the museum when I told you there we have a lot of things about the team or how they help.
Speaker 2:You know, if you go on dollars there, in the past in Venice I was like three floors or more was huge. Things are made like very big, so everything have their. What we help. Containers for transportation Team, brief, they negotiated to stay there in the, in the flores, helping to save, giving for the whole traveling like a night to a place to stay in the night to shower and eat, protecting and as well the crafting you know, and they use a lot for transportation for foods because the wood in the time was like a oil. So they, they stay. They don't pay to stay there. They construct the house later, later in years they divided. You know you will need to have it. You know the size you have. The things have a time they open and the two families get their inside but then they stop it and nobody else. If you have a house available, there is only timber can buy, no one else.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And so how I told this from you know my grand grand grandfather, he's the one responsible, clement Zenonbio a Zalini, to open that road, to know what to know, help a lot with Veneto for the transportation as well. And yeah, I have a lot to learn to find, and you can find many things in YouTube as well. Like you know about no team with people.
